Scouting Reports: The Other International Prospects

June 27th, 2008 · 116 Comments

By Kiley McDaniel

Something you can look for as an ongoing theme for these scouting reports is that I’ll mention a prospect that’s mostly projection, that would get $500,000 to $750,000 in most years, but this year will get that price pushed up by $250,000 to $500,000, due to demand. The supply is good this year, with a strong crop of talent, but the demand, especially at the top of the talent scale, is higher.

I suppose at some point, when every top player has their perceived value boosted that much, the effect may not be teams overpaying, but that we’re just seeing the new market.

That would be the market correction that competition brings to offset the bargains that the old July 2nd market had; the bargains that enticed all the teams to open up shop in Latin America in the first place.

For an economic look at this phenomenon, check this article, and stay tuned for another article about it here in the next few days.

As mentioned in the opening for the Michel Inoa report, the competition for second best July 2nd prospect is between power-hitting right fielder Rafael Rodriguez and dynamic five-tool center fielder Yorman Rodriguez, who has drawn Carlos Beltran comparisons. Most (including myself) prefer Yorman Rodriguez, and in lieu of a picture of him, we’ll run a Beltran picture.

Read on for a breakdown of the rest of the top 15 Latin American prospects, along with one sleeper, and subtitles that are the color of money, all after the jump…

The traditional powers, like the Yankees, Red Sox, Mariners, Mets, and Braves, seem to be in on all the big talents, while new major players I referenced in the last article include teams like the Padres, Royals, A’s, Reds, and Giants. There’s obviously still some teams just below the “major player” level that are doing good things and may make a splashy signing or two, but the focus in this article is on the top guys and major players.

So, Who Else Is Getting Paid?

2. Yorman Rodriguez, CF, Venezuela
Yorman Rodriguez has been touted as the top position player in this class for some time. His selling point is a rare combination plus-plus speed and plus-plus raw power. He’s a five-tool talent with an outstanding frame, athleticism, and defensive tools, but like most July 2nd hitting prospects, he gets a wide range of reviews on his ability to hit.

The common refrain on a raw bat are heard with Rodriguez: lunges at the ball, trouble identifying breaking pitches, trouble with high level stuff, questionable approach, and 5 o’clock power (batting practice only). Some players grow out of it, some never adjust, so the team that gets Rodriguez believes in his ability to make adjustments.

He has all the elements of a star centerfielder. He’s been compared to Miguel Cabrera for his powerful bat and Venezuelan bloodlines, but more athletic comparisons like Cesar Cedeno, Eric Davis, or a right-handed hitting Carlos Beltran seem more apt. That being said, Rodriguez, or any of the hitters below him, could go to the GCL and hit .180 for three seasons and make everyone look stupid, but those kind of comparisons let you know why teams will pay him and that the tools are for real.

There are rumors that since his agent has stopped shopping him around that a deal has been struck and the Reds are rumored to be that team—another team new to being a major player on the international scene, spending $2.0 million in March on 16 year old power-hitting OF Juan Duran, and have already spent $3-4 million this season on pre July 2nd prospects. The Yankees, Mariners, Red Sox, and Cardinals are all heavily interested and Rodriguez figures to get a bonus between $2.5 million and $3.0 million, which would top Miguel Cabrera’s $1.9 million bonus in 1999 as the highest in Venezuelan history.

3. Rafael Rodriguez, RF, Dominican Republic
The rumor that won’t die about Rodriguez is that the Giants have offered him a $2.5 million bonus and he’s stopped shopping himself with a deal already done. It does seem like $2.5 million is a little rich for Rodriguez versus industry perception (about $1.5 million), but there is a lot of competition for players at the top and if the Giants like him, giving a game-ending offer weeks before the deadline to lock him up is a sound strategy. He’ll be eligible to sign when he turns 16 on July 13th.

As for the tools, Rodriguez has a projectable 6′5, 200 lb frame that one international scouting director compared to Dave Winfield in BA’s breakdown of Rodriguez. His right-handed bat draws praise for it’s power to all fields and his raw strength but there are serious questions about hitability, approach, balance, loop in the swing, and ability to hit off-speed stuff. None of those things are abnormal for a 16 year old, but all of them in a package that will cost seven figures causes many to pause.

The bat speed, loft, big power, and athleticism are all there, so if you buy his makeup and ability to adjust, there’s a ton of raw ability to work with; it’s easy to see why the Giants would like him. It does sound like more teams than not think there’s a lot of Joel Guzman in there, too; none of the other stuff matters if he can’t hit, and that’s a legitimate question at this point.

4. Adis Portillo, RHP, Venezuela
Portillo is the consensus second-best pitcher in this year’s crop, and as mentioned in the July 2nd Notes article he is getting bid up due to the “didn’t get Inoa” effect. His profile is along the lines of most high-profile July 2nd pitchers: projectable body (6′3 with room for a lot of bulk), average now velocity (88-92), a feel for a curveball and changeup, a loose arm, and a workable delivery (though it has some effort). Like many other Latin prospects, scouts are sold on his frame due to big feet, hands, and fingers; a good indicator that a frame that will grow.

The downside was alluded to in the upside: he’s not polished and no one is really sure what his next 2-3 years of development will look like. Everything except his average velocity and projectable frame is below-average right now, including his control, which worries more than a few scouts. There also is an issue common with pitchers of Portillo’s profile: a disconnect between bullpen performance and game performance, similar to how young hitters having trouble converting BP power into games.

The team that likes Portillo the most will be banking (as usual) on his makeup and ability to improve as lots is needed before the upper levels of pro baseball. All those negatives said, Portillo is still an easy $500,000 prospect, and many would pay up to about $800,000, with a few likely willing to go to seven figures. The aforementioned affect could push Portillo as high as $2.0 million, the indicated asking price by some sources. The number that sounds more likely is $1.5 million, with teams like the Cubs, Mariners, Royals, Phillies, and Padres all in the mix, with San Diego the rumored landing spot—another new power on the Latin front.

5. Julio Morban, CF, Dominican Republic
Morban is more of a baseball player-type prospect than the above hitters, that are more star potential athletes. Morban swings a consistent bat from the left side and has above-average speed and solid athletic actions in center field packed into a compact 5′11, 178 pound frame.

Despite not owning a big, projectable frame, Morban has a bat that almost every Latin insider can buy, along with athleticism that brought projections of a million dollar bonus before the market jumped a few notches. Morban’s swing has some issues to be ironed out like any 16 year old’s swing would, but with advanced hitability, a sound approach, solid mechanics, and enough bat speed to create some power, he may own the safest bat in this class. He also sports an above-average arm and glove in center, and while some think he may add power and eventually move to right field, the profile is that of an everyday player either way.

The Mariners, Mets, Red Sox, and Yankees have been tied to Morban. Baseball America has a profile and a projection that jives with what I’ve heard: $1.1 to $1.2 million from the Mariners.

6. Luis Domoromo, OF, Venezuela
As mentioned above with Morban, Domoromo is a change of pace from the Rodriguez’s, as more of a baseball player, with a bat teams believe in to varying degrees, but projects for more of a solid-average everyday profile and will likely end up at a corner outfield position.

Some scouts say he’s a little mechanical and others think he has more of an average bat from the right side, but in comparison to the other bats on this list, being a little stiff and having a low-end projection of an average major league bat is a welcome relief for the risk averse. Domoromo has a solid frame that projects for plus power, and as you might expect, he is more of pull-oriented hitter that doesn’t always convert BP power into game situations. He has a smooth, fluid swing and emerging power, but won’t get big money due to the lack his lack of elite athleticism or star potential. He’s fine in the outfield given the profile and his arm seems good enough for right field to be a longterm fit.

Domoromo was described to me a few weeks ago as a low-upside player who would get about $700,000, and as you might expect, he’s heavily rumored, including in his BA profile, to sign for seven figures. BA suggests a deal is done with the Padres for $1.2 million, and that’s more conviction than I have about any of the rumors I’ve heard about Domoromo, so I’ll go with that.

The Borderline Millionaires

7. Yeico Calderon, RF, Dominican Republic
The Skinny: This is the first spot where a million dollar pay day isn’t assured, where rankings will diverge, and where information is both harder to come by, and harder to trust as smokescreens and misinformation are common at this juncture in the process.

Calderon is a power prospect with a potent bat from the left side and right field tools that have drawn Cliff Floyd comparisons. One source even said his tools are on par with Rafael Rodriguez, but with a bat from the left side, and with better hitability. Calderon can turn on good fastballs in game situations, but is a bit rough around the edges with a rudimentary approach and power primarily to his pull side. He is athletic enough to play right field and has a strong arm that may get him a seven figure pay day from the right team.

The Yankees are known to have interest, but from this point on, you probably won’t see a correct bonus/team prediction, and you could put any of the big Latin spending teams on any of the listed players and probably be right.

8. Alvaro Aristy, SS, Dominican Republic
Latin shortstops are a successful group as a whole, and sought-after commodity every July 2nd. The top one looks this year looks to be a 6′0, 165 pound, defense-first prospect in Alvaro Aristy.

Aristy has the best chance to play shortstop in the bigs from this class, with sure hand and plus range, but scouts aren’t sure if his bat is enough to get him to the big leagues. With a thin build and lack of power, Aristy’s bat doesn’t stand out, but he’s elicited comparisons to Brewers SS Alcides Escobar, and may follow the same career path, with steady, incremental improvement at the plate. One insider likes his bat speed and projection and thinks he could be grow into his frame and become “Alfonso Soriano light.”

For the moment, he’s not a whole lot to get excited about, but neither was Escobar when I saw him in the Florida State League last year, and now he’s almost a big leaguer. That just might be enough to justify the $1 million price tag that’s he’s rumored to be getting, with a number of teams on him and San Diego, yet again, being the rumored front runner.

9. Giancarlo Arias, IF, Dominican Republic
Aristy, Arias, and the next prospect, Jose Osoria, have been lumped together as similar prospects that currently play shortstop and should get comparable bonuses, but Arias is a different sort of player than Aristy and Osoria.

Arias is a stocky six footer with a plus arm and impressive left-handed bat that many project to move off of shortstop in the near future. His hands are good but his foot speed is below-average prompting projections that he could stick at second base, although third base seems like a better profile, given his frame. Still, one source likes his footwork and hands and thinks Arias’ unusually-proportioned body may play at shortstop longer than expected, like Juan Uribe, especially given his plus arm.

Arias is talked about in the same $1 million neighborhood as Aristy, and BA reports he’s likely sign with the Yankees, for a bonus as high as $1.4 million. While that wouldn’t be shocking, that number is higher than anything I’ve heard on Arias.

10. Jose Osoria, SS, Dominican Republic
As mentioned above, Osoria has a similar profile to Aristy, as a glove-first shortstop with limited offensive upside. So, you can copy the words from Aristy’s report, adjust down a hundred thousand dollars or so and be pretty much on point with Osoria’s skills.

Beyond that, anything more than general information on Osoria has been tough to come by as he hasn’t been easy for scouts to get a look at. Considering that there were a number of teams showing interest in Osoria earlier in the process, it’s almost a lock that he’s got a deal already done, but trying to figure out which team is anyone’s guess.

The “Could Be” Millionaires

11. Ramon Flores, OF, Venezuela
Flores is an unheralded prospect that has shown an oustanding hitting ability for scouts, but due to questionable power, has an uncertain professional profile. If you follow the draft, you know that an uncertain profile as an outfield ‘tweener, without enough speed for center, or enough power to be a solid starter at a corner spot, leaves you in limbo and usually ends up costing the player a lot of money.

Flores shows an advanced hitability that some say could make him a .300 hitter someday. It goes without saying that not all project Flores’ bat so favorably, that he’s a little rough around the edges, he’s 16, blah, blah, blah, you get the idea. His power is more gap-to-gap and is based on hard, consistent contact moreso than freakish bat speed or strength, but most think it can be average, producing about 15 homers annually in the end. Flores has deceiving average speed that will play in a corner outfield spot and should be able to garner a bonus of $700,000 or more.

12. Gustavo Pierre, 3B, Dominican Republic
Pierre is another of the Dominican shortstops, but basically no one thinks he can stick there; third base and left field are the two most common positional projections. His bat shows flashes, but how good his bat has looked varies from one game, BP session, or workout to another. He has sound swing mechanics, but showing an inability to consistently perform in game situations has some teams worried about his long-term prospects.

At 6′2 and 175 pounds, Pierre has some projection left in his frame, quick feet, and some power potential. He has been connected to the Blue Jays for some time, and figures to get a bonus in the $600,000 to $700,000 range.

13. Ismael Guillon, LHP, Venezuela
Guillon is a big 6′3 lefthander that hasn’t been seen a whole lot, but has a good amount of polish for a 16 year old. He has a larger, more filled-out frame compared to fellow 6′3 Venezuelan hurler Portillo, and throws from the left side, but has a lower upside. Guillon works in the high 80s with his fastball and lacks bigtime projection, but has 3 workable pitches and some feel for pitching. He figures to get a bonus of about $700,000 as well.

14. George Drullal, 3B, Dominican Republic
Drullal is another under-the-radar prospect with some enticing upside. Drullal shows a solid swing, some power potential, and enough athleticism to profile as a pro third baseman. He is more raw than the hitting prospects listed above him, but not that many 16 year old hitters look much like they do at 25, so at this juncture of the rankings, you’re looking for elements you want to bet on. The Mets are heavily rumored to be the team that likes Drullal the best and his bonus could be as high as $700,000, which apparently is the buzz price for players of this ability.

15. Francisco Valdivia, RHP, Nicaragua
Not too many teams have seen Valdivia, the only Nicaraguan on this list, in game conditions, so there will be a lot of projecting to be made on a small sample of performance. But, as said above with Drullal, you can’t be too picky with the now-abilities of 16 year olds.

Valdivia has an extremely projectable frame at 6′3 and 180 pounds, and shows an average fastball with good sink from a three-quarters arm angle that has hit 92. He is raw, lacking high-level instruction and experience. Predictably, he lacks refinement in his secondary pitches and has mechanics that need to be reworked, but has a high risk/reward ratio.

The Sleeper

Christian Betancourt, C, Panama
Betancourt actually turned 17 before July 2nd, so he was eligible to sign before the rest of these prospects and inked a deal with the Braves in March for $600,000. Betancourt owns an underrated mix of tools that are solid across the boards and don’t jump out at first glance. More importantly, for such a young player, he also shows the kind of work ethic and attitude you like to see from young backstops—he just gets it done.

For more names in the mix, check ESPN’s International primer and for more in-depth and breaking news on the international front check the always reliable Baseball America.

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116 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Doug Gray // Jun 27, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Kiley, you might have just made my day with the news on Yorman Rodriguez.

  • 2 Rumor: Reds agree to terms with Venezuelan outfielder Yorman Rodriguez // Jun 27, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    […] to the guys over at saberscouting.com (if you haven’t checked them out yet, you really need to) it seems that the Reds and […]

  • 3 Rumor: Reds agree to terms with Venezuelan outfielder Yorman Rodriguez // Jun 27, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    […] to the guys over at saberscouting.com (if you haven’t checked them out yet, you really need to) it seems that the Reds and […]

  • 4 obsessivegiantscompulsive // Jun 27, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    When the rumors first came out about Rodriguez, the player I was seeing as a comparison was Vlad Guerrero. So that is quite different from what you wrote and what you report as a comparison. How do you tell if a player can just hit the baseball anywhere it is pitched like Vlad or a prospect suspect who can’t?

    In any case, what you wrote makes a lot of sense. A $1.5M bonus would place him about the middle of the first round and hitters in that range have a number of issues they need to figure out if they are to become good.

    A $2.5M then is very rich because that’s what a #5 draft pick overall would get, and hitters at that point are expected to be a bit more polished and with less questions or with a lot of potential to grow to be a top hitter/pitcher. Given all the issues you note, he would have to have a lot of potential and some good chance of reaching it, but I don’t really get that from your description of him, not if you are using Joel Guzman as a comparison.

    Nice rundown of everyone, great job!

  • 5 Jared // Jun 27, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Great stuff. Any info on Ramon Flores, OF from the DR?

  • 6 kileymcd // Jun 27, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    You’re welcome, Doug. Tons of teams like Yorman, and he was the guy everyone I talked to wanted to talk about first. But the disappearing act is always a good indication that a deal is done and the Reds have been rumored on him for months.

    OGC,
    Guerrero had been tossed around, due to the raw ability, power, and athleticism he shows, but that’s more a profile comp than projection comp. Same for the Guzman comp, just showing the downside for that type of player like that that doesn’t develop.

    I mean, no one has any idea what any of these guys will look like in 3 years. And I also compare bonuses to the draft, but things are getting so out of whack you almost can’t anymore. More on that tomorrow.

    Jared,
    Flores was one of a few guys I had info on that didn’t make the list. He fits a common July 2nd profile of an athletic waterbug LH hitting type with some projection and power possibly on the way, but has a ways to go.

  • 7 liquid0623 // Jun 27, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Considering I’m the agent for Rafael Rodriguez, Gustavo Pierre and Yeico Calderon I have somewhat of an idea where they may land.

  • 8 Dennis // Jun 27, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Great information, nice work! Any idea who the Padres are targeting? I’ve heard they are planning on being very active, especially with the new DR facility. Thanks!

  • 9 liquid0623 // Jun 27, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Padres should sign Portillo, Domoromo and Alvaro Aristy after signing Jonathan Galvez for 750k last year. Galvez was also my client.

  • 10 felixp // Jun 28, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Boston, Mets and Yankees seem like can’t compete with other teams on big players, surprise!

  • 11 Daily Farm Report 6/27/08 « Future Redbirds // Jun 28, 2008 at 12:32 am

    […] his ability to hit for average is very questionable. He could get a record bonus for a Venezuelan. Saberscouting has more on Yorman and others. The free agent signing period for international players starts this […]

  • 12 Ramiro // Jun 28, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Liquid that is god news that the Padres are going to these players. Can you give some info on Portillo, Domoromo and Alvaro Aristy?

    This year is a good year for international players but I hear next year will be even better. Liquid who are the top players for next years international draft?

  • 13 liquid0623 // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:10 am

    it’s not an international draft. I have 3 top players for 2009 signed to me already. One is named Luis Jolly who is a lot like Felix Pie, but right handed. He’s 15 years old. He already runs between a 6.4-6.5 sixty. I have a 14 year old switch hitting shortstop and another outfielder who reminds me of a young Sammy Sosa.

    It is a very good year and I’m still recruiting other players.

    I’ve heard from numerous scouts that Portillo is a stud. One scout I know likes him more than Inoa. Domoromo is a nice bat. I only saw Aristy over a year ago and he was very lanky. I’ve heard scouts say that 1 million dollars is too much for him b/c his plus tools are his glove and arm. Out of the 3 Portillo is the stud. I think there is a big drop off after the 4th player on the list.

    I personally think that Luis Jolly for next year is better than Rafael Rodriguez. Next year should be a deeper upper echelon than this year.

  • 14 erik // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:16 am

    rumor monger and merciless homer here-any player names other than Yorman connected with St. Louis? gracias!

  • 15 Ramiro // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Liquid is it cool to get your email so I get some info form time to time on the players you sign and other players you might hear about.

    thanks [email protected]

  • 16 liquid0623 // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:21 am

    I have no problems telling you about players after they sign with me or if they have another agent, but I’m not going to mention players that do not have agents that I am trying to sign.

  • 17 liquid0623 // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:23 am

    St. Louis likes a kid named Roberto Pina. He’s a 3b from San Pedro. I think his bottom half is really going to get bigger as he fills out. He’s already had problems with his weight and has been working hard to keep it down. He has a quick bat with nice power, but I wouldn’t pay more than 250k for him b/c of his body. I do know that the Cardinals like him though.

  • 18 liquid0623 // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:24 am

    St. Louis also liked Yorman Rodriguez more than Rafael Rodriguez.

  • 19 liquid0623 // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Another thing that I want to add about Rafael Rodriguez is that I also did Joel Guzman’s bonus and saw Joel as young as just turning 15. He never had the same kind of pitch recognition that Rafael Rodriguez has. There were concerns from scouts about Joel being able to hit curve balls. I think that Rafael is sometimes fooled by curveballs, but he also makes solid contact on them or fouls off good breaking balls instead of putting them in play for a routing 4-3. Rafael Rodriguez was showcased in front of scouts hitting against live pitching all the time. I’ve heard that Yorman’s coach, Ciro Barrio, does not show Yorman against live pitching very often so it’s hard for scouts to get as good a feeling about him.

  • 20 OnBaseMachine // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:56 am

    With Yorman Rodriguez reportedly being signed by the Reds, what are the chances of the Reds getting Inoa? They’ve been linked with him along with the A’s and Rangers.

  • 21 OnBaseMachine // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:57 am

    One more question. Have the Reds been linked with anyone else besides Inoa and Yorman?

  • 22 liquid0623 // Jun 28, 2008 at 2:09 am

    I’d say the Reds are done with those two players i.e. Duran and Yorman

  • 23 John // Jun 28, 2008 at 7:51 am

    liquid: Have you heard if the Nationals are connected to any players? Thanks.

  • 24 Ruckus // Jun 28, 2008 at 10:09 am

    The real question is who will the Yankees get, liquid?

  • 25 fren. // Jun 28, 2008 at 11:31 am

    liquid, I’m amazed you actually convinced some here that you’re aren’t a pathological liar. What type of scout posts on a comment section of a scouting website a week before the actual signing period? Get some sunshine bud, you’re pathetic.

  • 26 daneptizl // Jun 28, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Real ones, duh!

  • 27 liquid0623 // Jun 28, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Fren… I’m not a scout I’m an agent… but you don’t have to believe me.

    The Nationals wanted a SS named Jose Garcia, but he signed with the Red Sox. He was a July 2nd from last year that didn’t sign until this May. The Red Sox really love him and he’s playing in the DSL. The Nationals were upset they missed out on him.

    The Yankees should sign at least 3 high dollar figure guys in the Dominican. Not sure about venezuela. They should get at least 2 guys in the top ten on that list. I think Arias is the top guy money wise.

  • 28 Chase // Jun 28, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Kiley,

    I saw you got some facetime in a BP article profiling Mike Gonzalez. Nice work.

  • 29 Dan from NM // Jun 28, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Thanks for the article. It’s great to hear about these players before the signing period starts. Some thoughts:

    1.) I don’t think “jive” means what you think it means.

    2.) Is it smart to spend $2.5 million on an outfielder with a questionable bat (Rafael Rodriguez)? Or am I being too picky for a kid who’s just 15? That leads me to the next question –

    3.) How accurate are these scouting reports? It seems to me that almost every source available has dubious motivation for being truthful. Scouts would have an incentive to downgrade a player to throw off other teams. Agents or buscones, meanwhile, would have an incentive to overstate the value of a player.

    4.) Thanks for taking a stab at this topic. Your writeups seem fair-minded to me, and I like the site in general, too.

  • 30 Jared // Jun 28, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Liquid, excellent stuff. Have you heard any names associated with the Dodgers?

  • 31 Liquid // Jun 29, 2008 at 2:44 am

    I have not heard of anyone with the Dodgers. They have not been active the past couple of years and have had a limited budget

  • 32 Liquid // Jun 29, 2008 at 2:46 am

    I have not heard anything about the Dodgers. They have not been that active the past couple of years.

  • 33 jeff // Jun 29, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Liquid,

    have you heard if the tigers are close to signing anyone?

  • 34 Carlos // Jun 29, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Liquid,

    Who are you because Plumber is Ralphy Rodriguez’s agent and I dont think he would be posting on here. If you are Plumber congrats on Ralphy Podriguez getting him done with SF.

  • 35 Liquid // Jun 29, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Jeff,

    I have not heard the Tigers being in on any of the top players.

    Carlos… you misspelled the last name. I have no idea who Ralphy Rodriguez is either.

  • 36 Mike R. // Jun 29, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    “Liquid” Plummer? LOL. Classic.

    Anyone on the list that you think might be overrated (overhyped) and vice versa?

  • 37 Liquid // Jun 29, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    I can’t really comment on overrated/underrated players b/c I haven’t seen all of the players on the list. I would say based on money that Aristy and Arias are “overrated” The list is pretty accurate. Remember there are still players who still fall under the radar that don’t fall in the hands of big agents or more well known buscones.

    There seems to be more demand this year than supply with premium guys which has forced teams to become more aggressive.

  • 38 Carlos // Jun 29, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Rafael (ralphy)Rodriguez. Washington and Arizona along with the Cardinals are in Roberto Pina Sweepstakes. He will get over a Million

  • 39 Rico // Jun 29, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Anyone know if the A’s bidding on any top prospects other than Inoa?

  • 40 Liquid // Jun 29, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    It’s actually Rafael “Orlandito” Rodriguez

  • 41 Carlos // Jun 30, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Ralphy is short for Rafael

    Like Mike is to Micheal
    Joe to Joseph
    Jeff to Jeffary
    Rob to Robert
    ETC

  • 42 Ryan // Jun 30, 2008 at 8:14 am

    I do have to laugh at Carlos attempting to school Rob Plummer about his own client (and there isn’t much reason to doubt that it is indeed Plummer).

    I do hope that the Olrandito to SFG rumors have truth to them, though! Do you know of any other players that the Giants are pursuing, that you can speak about?

    And I do have to say, now that I have the chance, that I have always thought well of you, after you helped clean up the Aybar mess once it was made known to you. Not all in that world would…

  • 43 John // Jun 30, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Carlos: Can you tell me more about Pina? Righthanded hitter? Have you heard of Washington being on anyone else?

    Liquid: Thanks for the info. Please let me know if you hear anymore on the Nats.

  • 44 Carlos // Jun 30, 2008 at 11:04 am

    6′2 200lbs R/R Pina.Strong lower half but not fat. very quick bat and more advanced hitter then anyone else on the market. Does not have the upside of the rodriguez’s but is a better hitter at this point. Washington put 800k on table but Arizona and Cardinals might be willing to give over 1mil.

  • 45 John // Jun 30, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Thanks Carlos. Please keep us updated.

  • 46 walter // Jun 30, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    the mets need help at the pitching position at both the major and minor league level so why aren’t they very active in that area?and just who are they targeting?

  • 47 jesse // Jun 30, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    does anyone know anything about Ezdra Abreu, OF prospect from the Dominican? BA reported a few months ago that it looked like he was going to command 1 mil +, but i haven’t heard a single word about him since then.

  • 48 taveras // Jun 30, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    liquid ,Im the agent for ss Engel Vallejos and 3b ESTARLIN MARTINEZ

  • 49 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 1:11 am

    I know Pina very well. I think he’s a great kid. I just had a falling out with his coach in the Dominican. I think he’s worth money, but his coach wanted over 2 million and I didn’t see his value that high. I thought he should have gotten around a million plus or minus. One of the most important things as an agent is to have confidence in your players, but also to know when enough is enough. I try to get the most money for my players by putting the teams against one another after a scouting period. I try and be realistic and I’m also trying to have relationships with the teams over a long period of time. I first saw Pina when he was 14 years old. His coach called me to represent Pina and there were external reasons for me not representing him anymore that were in no way related to my performance as an agent. I still hope the kid does well and gets a good bonus.

    Tavaras…. I have no idea who Engel Vallejos and Estarlin Martinez are.

    Ryan… do you have any way that I could contact you?

    Ihave no idea what the Mets are doing. They have a very good relationship with Ivan Noboa so I wouldn’t be surprised if they sign one of his players. George Drullard is a client of Noboa’s.

    on Ralphy… It’s just that nobody calls Rafael Rodriguez Ralphy. His middle name is Orlando and he goes by Orlandito, but he wants to be called Rafael when he signs although since there is another Rafael in the Majors I may talk him into going by Orlando… Orlandito for someone 6′5 is kinda silly.

    Carlos… how do you know all this stuff about Pina? Jose Garcia is a client of mine. Did you know that Roberto Pina was born in Anguilla and speaks fluent English? I did Manuel Solis’ bonus of 525k for Carlos Guzman as well. Not sure why Carlos is so upset with me. What is Solis doing now?

    No comment on SFO

    Ryan… Thanks on the Aybar comments… He was not the only one who got schooled on that deal by Mr. E.S.

  • 50 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 1:15 am

    I heard Portillo to the Padres for 2.2 million now.

  • 51 OnBaseMachine // Jul 1, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Is Yorman Rodriguez to the Reds a lock?

  • 52 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 1:24 am

    I don’t know if it’s a lock, but I would be on the Reds over the field

  • 53 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 1:24 am

    Yorman can’t sign until August

  • 54 OnBaseMachine // Jul 1, 2008 at 1:25 am

    Why can’t he sign until August?

  • 55 OnBaseMachine // Jul 1, 2008 at 1:26 am

    The Reds have supposedly spent 3-4 million on pre July 2nd prospects. Do you of any of them besides Duran?

  • 56 Ryan // Jul 1, 2008 at 2:57 am

    my email is [email protected]

    Portillo at 2.2 is a pretty penny, but such is the market (IMHO, it is only beginning to be what it should be).

    Orlando would work well as a name, as the precedent for the name in baseball is strong. Also, ‘Orlandito’ with the diminutive might well work as it is, since it is a hypocorism that most people grasp intuitively.

    On Base: likely age related.

    If they do sign Yorman, and have spent 3-4 on pre july 2nd…and have to deal with this years draft, and I doubt Alonso will be cheap. They certainly aren’t being cheap!

  • 57 Carlos // Jul 1, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Liquid,

    I thought pina was from San Pedro and was not aware that he spoke english. I have doubts about his age(although he does look young in the face).His aproach @ the plate is to advanced for a 16 year old.
    you did the right thing by not representing pina. his buscon Carlos G is trying to look out for himself more then his client(if you know what I mean).
    I work for an Org that is not very active in Latin America but i Still see some of the talent.

  • 58 b/c // Jul 1, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Liquid any idea on what the yanks are doing

  • 59 b/c // Jul 1, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    And concur with ryan on the aybar mess

  • 60 Marcus // Jul 1, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Liquid,

    Can you tell me anything about Jose Rijo’s Academy(connected with the Nats I believe)? What is the Nats rep. down their after signing Esmailyn Gonzalez and winning the DSL last year? Can you tell me anything about the three players the nats signed earlier, Elvin Cuello (16), Joseph Cabreja and Alex Romero (18). Also Eury Perez is lighting up the DSL right now is he a real prospect? I know I’ve asked a lot of questions but any answers would be appreciated!

  • 61 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Carlos,

    we spoke on the phone earlier in the year right. I mean C.G. is a mess right now.

    b/c I do have an idea what the Yanks are doing, but no comment.

    Marcus… No comment on Washington either.

  • 62 Joe // Jul 1, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Liquid,
    Any idea who the Braves are looking at signing?

  • 63 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    The Braves are trying to sign a 16 year old switch hitting Colombian outfielder. He’s the only guy I know about.

  • 64 Joe // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Thanks,
    Jair Lopez I’m guessing? I was really hoping they would be in on your guy Calderon and Valdivia out of Nicaragua. They both sound very interesting.

  • 65 Dave // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    What’s the earliest when you can give us an idea about what the Yankees are doing? Any hints?

  • 66 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    they liked Calderon

  • 67 Marcus // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Liquid,

    So is your no comment on Washington, bad or good? Come on you gotta give me something lol :-)

    I understand the NO COMMENT on Washington as a whole but what about the players I asked you about Elvin Cuello, etc…?

  • 68 Joe // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    So I am guessing that “liked” in the past tense means the rumors Calderon to the Yankees is true?

  • 69 b/c // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    hmmm the no comment must mean that they are onto your guys I can deal with that for sure.

  • 70 b/c // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Does Calderon say hi

  • 71 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    No, Calderon says hola

  • 72 Chris // Jul 1, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Liquid, do you know of anything involving the Cubs?

  • 73 Rico // Jul 1, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Liquid, are the A’s interested in anybody other than Inoa?

  • 74 liquid0623 // Jul 1, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    I think that the A’s were concentrating on Inoa. 4.25 million is a lot of money, no?

    The Cubs and Jose Serra have players that they will be signing I am sure. They are not in on any high money guys this year. They have been somewhat successful in Venezuela and the Dominican on high risk/high reward type guys. I’m sure they wish that Felix Pie would reach his potential.

  • 75 John // Jul 1, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Joe: I think I’m reading “liked” differently. To me that says the Yankees wanted him ,but didn’t get him. If they had gotten him, they’d still like him. I could be wrong though:)

    liquid: Is your no comment on Washington just for Marcus’s question or for everything in regards to Washington?

  • 76 lassie01 // Jul 1, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    liquid,

    I know you mentioned Pina as a possibiltiy for the Cardinals, you don’t have to get into names, but the concensus has been that they were trying to up they’re involvment in Latin America this year. I had even heard they hired the scouts away from the Mets that signed Jose Reyes and Carlos Gomez. I’m wondering if you’ve noticed any more activity from them.

  • 77 Liquid // Jul 1, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Juan Mercado was the scout that they hired away from the Mets. He’s a good scout and they were in on a lot of players. They were just a little late this year with the crosschecking from the United States. They have to send crosscheckers down in Oct/Nov to see the top guys this year instead of later on in the year. I would say that they started trying ti get into it last year. They finished second for one of my high dollar guys last year. I would say the Cardinals will probably sign a big guy next year.

    I would rather just not comment on Washington

  • 78 Carlos // Jul 1, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Washington is under investigation(Hint- Dave Wilder Whitesox)

  • 79 b/c // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:51 am

    wilder is naming names

  • 80 b/c // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:04 am

    john Liquid was referring to the nats who liked calderon

  • 81 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:09 am

    the Yankees will get Calderon. Pierre to Blue Jays.

  • 82 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Osoria to Indians for 575k

  • 83 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Arias to Yankees

  • 84 Carlos // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Texas giving oakland a hard time with Inoa!

  • 85 Carlos // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:30 am

    an extra 750k may make adam Katz renig on the deal with oakland to Texas for 5 million.

  • 86 Dave // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Liquid, thanks for all the great info. Any other signings by the Yankees?

  • 87 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:44 am

    Carlos… can you email me at [email protected]?

    Rob

  • 88 b/c // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:53 am

    a mlb deal for a 16 yr old is insane

  • 89 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:55 am

    espn.go.com is reporting a straight bonus of 4.25 million. I can’t wait until July 2nd 2009.

  • 90 taveras // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:05 am

    carlos ,my info A.J PRELLER in santiago DR tonight!

    liquid, yankees fire abel guerra?

  • 91 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:07 am

    They fired him like 6 months ago. My boy A.J. He’s a very good basketball player.

  • 92 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:07 am

    Tavaras… who are you?

  • 93 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:08 am

    I’m going to the Dominican next week

  • 94 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:18 am

    just got off the phone with A.J.

  • 95 OnBaseMachine // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:20 am

    The Reds offered Inoa 5 million and a major league contract! Wow. They are serious about breaking into Latin America.

    I wonder if they’ll sign any other big names?

  • 96 Liquid // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:37 am

    I must say that the Reds get it while the Phillies don’t

  • 97 OnBaseMachine // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:44 am

    What you mean by that?

    Any chance the Reds jump in on Portillo now that they missed on Inoa?

    Also, when does Yorman turn 16?

  • 98 taveras // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 am

    liquid, Im a agent working my way up.

  • 99 John // Jul 2, 2008 at 6:14 am

    What is Washington under investigation for?

  • 100 erik // Jul 2, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Any updates for Cardinal fans?

  • 101 July 2nd Morning Update | SaberScouting // Jul 2, 2008 at 11:36 am

    […] scouts and agents started posting in the comments of the scouting reports article and 100 comments later, it turned into a liveblog of sorts of […]

  • 102 Uncle John's Band // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Any chance the Royals will sign Portillo? If not, have they been linked to anyone else?

  • 103 Spahnie // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    The Braves are said to have signed two players, Lhp Carlos Perez and SS Jimmy de Los Santos.

    Any physical measurements reported on these two?

    Thanks

  • 104 Max // Jul 3, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Any update on who the Rangers signed other than Odubel Herrera and Vicente Escobar?

  • 105 derrick // Jul 4, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Are the Royals in on anyone else?

  • 106 Bird Land » Blog Archive » Cards eye a prize from Latin pool // Jul 8, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    […] as ”plus-plus speed” with raw “plus-plus power.” That’s site scouting report on Rodriguez reads, in part: He’s been compared to Miguel Cabrera for his powerful bat and Venezuelan […]

  • 107 teo // Jul 11, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    CARLOS-LIQUID;ROBERTO PINA,WAS BORN IN THE TOWN OF LA ROMANA ABOUT 25 MILES EAST OF SAN PEDRO.HE ‘S AN ANGUILLIAN/BRITISH/DOMINICAN,CITIZEN HE GOT IT,TROUGH HIS MOM(MY SISTER)SHE SENDED HIM TO THE DOM.REP.AFTER HE EXPRESS HER HIS DESIRES TO BE A BASEBALL PLAYER.HI’S THE THIRTH OF FOUR KIDS FROM MY SISTER.THE OTHERS ARE IN ANGUILLA WITH HER

  • 108 Carlos Sanchez // Jul 12, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    BREAKING NEWS”!!!!!!!!
    A reliable source recently informed me that last Thrusday Cardinals executives along with instructors conducted a workout with Rodriguez. Parties have reportedly agreed to $3.3 million bonus.

  • 109 erik // Jul 12, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Carlos-Which Rodriguez, Yorman or Rafael?

  • 110 International signing rumor mill | Future Redbirds // Jul 12, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    […] Just a real quick piece of info I wanted to pass along–I have good news for Giant fans, not so great news for Cardinal fans, but it’s interesting info nonetheless. I’m told the Giants have signed 16 year old Dominican OF Rafael Rodriguez for $2.55 million. I’m told that the Cardinals were one of the teams vying for his services, and they were right in the mix but in the end Rafael decided to go with San Fran. Saberscouting discussed more about him here. […]

  • 111 Duaner // Jul 14, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    I played last summer with Alvaro Aristy, and I could see that he´s an impressive prospect, excellent defender, but some reports say he is not so good batting, but that´s no true, he has some power, I saw him hitting some home runs, over 390 feet, and it was practicing, so in games his power should raise. He is taller than 6´he´s about 6-1.

  • 112 Duaner // Jul 14, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    we used to called Alvaro Aristy “Pokey Reese”, because of his color. He´s really a thin player, he has a solid body, similar to Alfonso Soriano Boby. The most important thing I´ve seen of him is his respect for the game, hard work and he is also a great teammate

  • 113 Yorman Rodriguez: Seeing Red? | Future Redbirds // Jul 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    […] makes me feel a little better about what I had been hearing.  A little later after that, over at Saberscouting there was a poster by the name of Carlos Sanchez who said a Rodriguez had agreed to sign with the […]

  • 114 Rafael Aguiar // Aug 15, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Any word or Yorman Rodriguez? A sfar as I know he just turned 16 today and he can be signed. The Reds were in the running as were the Cards but now that the Reds apparently wont sign Alonso I think they should really move in and open the checkbook. Duran has been mediocre at best and I think they should take a chance.

  • 115 Doug Gray // Aug 16, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Rafael Aguiar,
    The Reds signed Yorman Rodriguez. Terms of the deal weren’t announced when they acknowledged that they signed him. They also signed Alonso and Juan Carlos Sulbaran toward the end there and over the last three days really gave their already strong system a huge talent boost.

  • 116 RAY // Aug 25, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    I think the Reds Instructional league team this winter is going to showcase some of the top high end talent available in all the minor leagues. With Alonso,Soto, Duran and Yorman Rodriguez I find it hard to believe that any other ML team will have that kind of high end talent in their winter program. Going to make a special trip down to Sarasota to see these guys in batting practice. I hear these guys hit moon shots. Great to see Jocketty implement his plan for the future. Hope he is allowed to finish it. Bob C and his people are going to be the talk of the town this winter with all the prospects the will have available to trade. Go Reds

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