By Kiley McDaniel
Deolis Guerra will likely forever be known as the best pitching prospect traded from the Mets for Johan Santana. That’s unfair to Guerra, because they will always be linked and there’s not much of a chance Guerra even gets into Santana’s league as a pitcher—not many do.
I was able to see Guerra pitch in the Florida State League last week and wanted to weigh in on what I saw, and what Twins fans can expect to see from a wild card of one the biggest trades in team history.
The short answer is you can expect good, maybe great things, just not anytime soon. Guerra was flashing plus ability but with some rough edges.
Check out the full report after the jump…
Here’s the video I took of Guerra from this outing and had a preliminary review of his start here.
Deolis Guerra, RHP, Ft. Myers Miracle (Twins)
Present/Future Grades
Fastball - 35/55
Curveball - 50/60
Changeup - 40/55
Command - 30/50
Physical Description - XL frame, the makings of a workhorse frame with wide shoulders, thick chest, long limbs, developed trunk and solid leg bulk. Still has room to add some weight and appears to still be all arms and legs at some points, good athlete. Scout’s dream in many ways. Resembles Fausto Carmona, or I’ll cross racial lines and throw out Roy Halladay.
Fastball - The first step of him being absolutely brutal today. He sat at 86-87 mph, but it was almost purely a function of mechanics. If you haven’t yet, fire up the video above and take a look. Even the most untrained eye at fullspeed can see he has no weight transfer and no follow-through body-wise, although he’s good with the arm’s follow-through. Didn’t have much life, but it’s hard to really make any conclusion off of what I saw today. Based off of his size, long arms, looseness in the body and prior reports (which I hate referring to, but have to in this instance), I think he can sit in the 90-93 area with some life, which would be above-average.
Curveball - This was clearly his third pitch on a day with no command and no velocity, but showed some tight rotation and serious potential. Pitched at 71-72 and had sharp downward break, flashed above-average as a present pitch, and that was with no confidence, no feel, and about 5 ticks lower velocity than normal, so there’s a lot of projection there. It could eventually be an out-pitch. And this is the pitch that the Mets made him work on when he was mostly a fastball-change guy, so this pitch has come a long way.
Changeup - Has historically been called his best pitch and it just wasn’t there today. I think that’s more a function of throwing a good changeup being contingent on feel and he had none today—you can just spin a nice curve on a no-feel day, you can’t do the same with a changeup. It still flashed above-average, but I’ll guess this future grade will jump a notch or two with another viewing. He threw a few changeups at 69-70 with an shockingly noticeable slowed arm speed, then the rest at 75-77. The location was all over the place, but you’re probably sick of hearing that at this point. The deception was great and I’ve heard a few scouts put a 65 on it. All the makings, I just can’t buy it all the way yet.
Command/Mechanics - Not a huge fan of the long-in-the-back arm action, but that’s the type of thing that I think will be fixed when the motion as a whole is sped up/fixed. He was up, fighting himself and overcompensating, changing tempo, all arms and legs, stays back a bit much for my taste, could be a little more aggressive, but in this type of outing, we’re looking for mechanical tools, not specifics, since he isn’t getting out of A-ball with today’s delivery. The arm works, the balance is good, the body is good, he’s an athlete, so I’ll stop repeating myself and leave it at that. As for a comparison, just conjure up whoever you think has a lazy motion to the plate; I’ll go with Mark Redman (I have now crossed the lefty/righty and racial comparison lines in one article, so the scouting cliche police should be coming after me shortly).
Notes - I’d feel much more comfortable with these grades if I had a normal outing to grade this one against, but you take what you can get. I should be seeing Guerra again in the next 30 days—I’m gambling he won’t be promoted soon. That being said, on a crappy day for him, he flashed three above-average to plus pitches with average command. And the command is only average because you couldn’t possibly put him above based on this look—he has the stuff and athleticness for more (I love making up words). And that’s exactly what you get with a high-upside, A-ball prospect, Twins fans. if anything, this ceiling is among the highest in the minors, it isn’t just some typical flame-throwing guy with no second pitch. Completely unfair to me and him to make AOFP and group judgments on this outing, but here goes…
Adjusted Overall Future Potential: 57 (up 2 ticks on the raw OFP to build in some upside)
Present Group: P, Future Group: B
Projected Role: A real solid #3, close to #2
ETA: Probably 2011 full-time (still only 22 then)
Overall Comparison: Again, very tough to say, but right-handed Cole Hamels in a perfect world, a mid-range guy, if the command doesn’t come all the way, could be a less-funky Bronson Arroyo.
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6 responses so far ↓
1 MC Roberts // Apr 19, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Could you, sometime in the near future, write an article giving us some comparisons for your numerical grade? When you’re talking about a 55 fastball, what does that look like, for those of us who aren’t really familiar with the scouting terminology?
2 mike // Apr 19, 2008 at 8:14 pm
You should update us where your going next to scout prospects. Also one quick question, what do you think of Justin Jackson’s great start for Lansing and what could be his upside.
3 yanquis1972 // Apr 20, 2008 at 2:54 pm
mc roberts, i believe what you are looking for is here: http://www.saberscouting.com/scoutingtutorial/
kiley/frankie, id love to see a scouting report on ivan nova if you guys are in the tampa area. has always reputedly had great stuff but has gotten mediocre results until very recently.
4 kileymcd // Apr 20, 2008 at 6:46 pm
MC Roberts, yanquis pointed you where I would point you. Just about any question you have about scouting or prospect rankings we hope is handled with the scouting and prospecting tutorials (links to them at the top of the page) and the further reading links we suggest in those articles.
If you mean an article where we name MLB guys with each notch of every tool, then that may be an article later, very similar to something we’re cooking up for post-draft.
Mike, I try to name places I’m going soon in articles, especially when I’m psyched about certain guys. I tinkered with both of us just putting our schedules up, but thought that a) that could delve into TMI, b) better to say to little than too much, and c) my schedule changes more than I would like to update on here. And if we ever get big enough for stalkers, that’s not a good precedent to set, but I digress.
As for Jackson, I saw him quite a bit in the GCL and like the tools and the amateur track record. The knock on him, and the thing that will decide if he’s a big league regular or AA flameout is the ability to make solid contact, and it’s too early to tell. The ceiling is a solid everyday shortstop, maybe in the Orlando Cabrera class.
Yanquis, funny you mention Nova, I should be seeing him soon and actually have talked to him as much as the language barrier will allow. Going to a number of GCL/extended/FSL games in the Tampa area has been where he has been more times than not and the starting pitchers not on the hill sit in the scout section and chart pitches. That report should be on the way, I’ve missed him by a day a few times so far, and good news for Yankee fans is that he’s great kid with great makeup.
5 BD57 // Apr 28, 2008 at 8:00 am
Jeez, he’s not using his legs at all.
His arm’s way behind his body - it looks like the ball is about waist-high when his front foot lands.
I’m far from an expert - all I’ve done is read just about every book I could find on pitching to try to help Juniors pitchers - but it seems to me he needs to lengthen his stride, get his arm up & get some drive toward the plate.
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